Le Mythe de la génèse à L5R

[Okuma]

Je sais, ils m'ont répondu a moi aussi. Mais la génèse de l5a est un sujet trop sensible pour être abordé, surtout alors qu'ils semblent voulor la réecrire entièrement ces derniers temps (l'Ombre, Shosuro, Ryoshun, l'origine de la sagesse de Shinsei). Leur présenter le Gozoku (du moins en partie) présenterait plus d'intérêt.

[Pénombre]

Je vais poser une question idiote : quel est l'intérêt de proposer ça à AEG pour vous ?

- pour avoir le sentiment des gars de la gamme ?
- dans l'idée qu'ils en reprennent des éléments par la suite ?
- parce que vous aimeriez bien éventuellement qu'ils recrutent un freelance sur un projet ponctuel et que ça constituerait l'ossature du dit projet ou votre press-book ?

[Ben]

- parce que vous aimeriez bien éventuellement qu'ils recrutent un freelance sur un projet ponctuel et que ça constituerait l'ossature du dit projet ou votre press-book ?

celui là bien sur


BEn

[Kendashi]

Je vais poser une question idiote : quel est l'intérêt de proposer ça à AEG pour vous ?

- pour avoir le sentiment des gars de la gamme ?
- dans l'idée qu'ils en reprennent des éléments par la suite ?
- parce que vous aimeriez bien éventuellement qu'ils recrutent un freelance sur un projet ponctuel et que ça constituerait l'ossature du dit projet ou votre press-book ?

Les trois à la fois ou séparés mais je ne m'attends à rien en particulier (et la question n'est pas idiote ).

[Pénombre]

okay, merci pour la précision

[axl_2baz]

envoie aussi ken, je verrais ce que je peut faire.

[Kendashi]

envoie aussi ken, je verrais ce que je peut faire.

C'est fait. Merci pour ta proposition

[Kendashi]

Une génèse tiré du site http://www.fiveringsonline.com

In the Beginning was Nothing.

Nothing was- and was not- for a thousand eternities. However, time had not yet come to be, so even this was only the fraction of a fraction of a moment.

Then, Nothing looked about itself, and within itself. Seeing that it was alone in the Void before creation, it became afraid. Fear became the first part of Creation. Seeing a companion emerge from within it's infinite void, Nothing desired to be filled. Desire became the second part of Creation. Now Nothing felt itself being undone, and looking upon the unformed Something, was filled with regret. Regret became the third part of Creation.

And with these three Sins, the world was born.

At first, the world was a shapeless, heterogenous mass, as within an egg- but, as Time (which itself was only newborn) passed, the pure, clear parts of Creation separated from the mass, and rose. Because it was fine and pure, it soon consolidated itself, and became Heaven. The heavy, coarse matter of the world settled- but because it was less pure, it took longer to unite. Thus, Heaven was created before Earth, and to this day, the way of virtue is for Earth to follow Heaven.

From the light of Heaven was born first Amaterasu Omikami, the Lady Sun. Her brilliance cast light across Creation, throughout Heaven and Earth- She was unequaled in splendour. Following Amaterasu was born Tsuki-Yomi, the Lord Moon. His light was pale and wan compared to that of his sister, and he desired her. He set about chasing her through the Heavens, and so Day and Night were given form. As the two divine beings raced through the skies, they looked down upon the Earth; and to every thing that they saw, they gave a name. This went on for another eternity, and in this time the Earth was given shape and meaning.

A thousand years ago, Tsuki-Yomi finally overtook his love, and embraced her. From their union, nine children were born.

The first child was Akodo, who had a heart without fear and unclouded vision.
The second child was Togashi, the silent and knowing.
The third child was Shinjo, just and gentle, but wild as the winds.
The fourth child was Hida, who shook the sky with his newborn cries.
The fifth child was Doji, the most clever and beauteous of all beings- but for one.
The sixth and seventh child were the twins, the eternally devoted Shiba and Bayushi.
The eighth child was Hantei, who had virtue surpassing all other.
The ninth child was born weak and crippled, inside and out, and his named must not be spoken.

This last child was born of mangled limb and fearful countenance, and so horrific was he that his mother, full of shame, fled the High Plain of Heaven. She wept as she fled down the Bridge of Heaven, to hide herself in the Underworld. Where her tears fell, the spirits of the land, plants, and animals were born. She entered the gates of the dark world of Death, which was at that time formless and empty- for no divinity had yet seen or heard of Death, and so it had not yet been named. This place was formed of the most clotted, dark matter of creation, and was the home of demons. Here, Amaterasu shut herself up in the deepest pit of the land of Jigoku, and all of Creation was cast into darkness.

Fickle Lord Moon, pleased that only his weak light shone in the world, retired to his throne, to watch over Heaven and Earth. But the children of Sun and Moon cried out, and tore their hair, and covered their faces with ash, so great was their grief. All but for one- the last child. The eight loyal children of the Divine Pair seized the nameless one, and struck him for his shameful manners. Then all nine of them resolved to go to the Lands Below, to petition the Empress of All to return to the world, that there might be light again.

The nine children faced many fierce demons as they fought their way to the deepest pit, and without the courage of Akodo, the strength of Hida, the keen eyes of Shinjo, the insight of Togashi, the selflessness of Shiba, the determination of Bayushi, the cleverness of Doji, or the virtue of Hantei, they could not have prevailed. Only the ninth child cringed and cowered, and slowed the warriors' progress greatly.

In the deepest pit of the Underworld, the children found their mother, glorious Lady Sun. The eight elder children bowed before her, and loudly proclaimed their love and devotion for her- but the eighth, fearful of her wrath, stole away into the darkness.

Pleased by her childrens' devotion, and seeing that the cursed child was not among them, Lady Sun agreed to return to the world. They set out to make the long journey back up through the Dark world. As they traveled back up toward Heaven, Lady Sun began to name the various parts of the world of the Dead, for now many spirits of the earth filled its halls, and there was no order among them. It was at this time that the realm of Hell, the realm of Slaughter, and the realm of the Blessed Ancestors were given form.

All this time, however, the ninth child had put himself to the study of vile practices and defilement, which were of the nature of Hell. Leading a great army of Oni, he pursued his mother and siblings with the speed of madmen. He caught up with them as they approached the Bridge of Heaven. Amaterasu begged her children to quickly follow her up into Heaven, but Hantei spoke up.

"We cannot return to Heaven with you, Revered Mother," he said. "For then our wicked brother will ascend the Bridge of Heaven, and there will be no peace any place in Creation."

Bidding her children goodbye for the last time, Amaterasu Omikami fled up to Heaven, as her children, heaving with all their might, toppled the bridge. Though they were still divine, they were now confined to Earth. They waged a great war against their brother and his servants, and after a great battle, beat him back to the gates of Jigoku.

Amaterasu, meanwhile, returned to Heaven, and resumed her ancient race with Tsuki-Yomi. As she ran, the pollution and impurities that had clung to her during her stay in Jigoku was flung off from her, and as it fell back to Earth, it was filled with a tiny bit of the light and virtue of Heaven. Thus, this matter- made of coarse and impure elements, but containing pure and fine light, gave rise to Man. Seeking to aid her children, Lady Sun cut off her hair, which shone as rays of light, and braided it into a long rope. This rope was so long that it stretched all the way down to the Earth, and by it one of the children might climb to Heaven. Each wanted to be the one who might once again walk the sweet fields of the High Plain of Heaven, and so they held a great battle. Their battles raged across the world, and they fought with fire, thunder, and great tsunami. Eventually, Hantei was proclaimed the victor, but instead of abandoning his brothers to fight the Nameless One alone, he proclaimed: "Only when my limbs have been severed, my head cut off, my organs removed, and the last breath dashed from my body, will I return to the High Plain of Heaven." And so it is that the line of Hantei became the ruler of all of the Empire of Rokugan, and his seven loyal brothers and sisters became his servants. They gathered together the crude human beings of this time, and the first samurai came into being. Still today, the Hantei line is the only that is permitted to ascend to Heaven upon death; and it is the descendants of Akodo, Togashi, Shinjo, Hida, Doji, Shiba, and Bayushi who serve the Splendid Prince.

It was not long, however, before the ninth child returned to the Earth, leading even greater legions of devils than before. Hantei ruled his Empire wisely, and his seven siblings fought valorously, but the forces of Hell were too great. All seemed lost, when on the eve of what would be the final battle, a strange traveler appeared before the Divine Children of Sun and Moon. It was not permitted for mere humans to appear before the Emperor unannounced, and Akodo went to cast the stranger out- but without any effort whatsoever, the man bested him. The Emperor gasped, and demanded that the stranger announce himself. His name was Shinsei, and he brought with him a New Way that would provide the key to defeating the Cursed One. All night long, Shinsei and Hantei spoke of the world and of virtue, and their conversation was recorded by Shiba. When morning broke, and the battle was joined, Shinsei took seven mortal followers of the gods, and disappeared into the mouth of Hell. As the battle raged in the world above, they ventured into the smoking pit of Hell where the ninth child waited hungrily, his soul twisted by the power of corruption. Just when the armies of the kami were nearly routed, and the end of the Empire seemed imminent, the legions of Hell broke rank, and scattered harmlessly like dry leaves on a swift wind. Only one of the Seven Thunders returned, bearing twelve dark scrolls, into which was bound all the power of the Twisted One.

From that day on, peace reigned throughout the Empire; and under the wise and virtuous rulership of the glorious line of Hantei, and the noble service of the seven clans of samurai who pledged themselves to the kami, Rokugan came to be the Empire of Harmony and Virtue.

Si quelqu'un pouvait traduire l'essentiel... (oui, je sais, j'en demande beaucoup )

[Pénombre]

déjà, c'est encore une contradiction puisque dans la première édition, c'est pas Fu Leng mais Hantei le 9ème...

ensuite, l'ordre n'est pas le même

L5a première édition, VF, page 18, du premier au dernier :
- Hida
- Doji
- Togashi
- Akodo
- Shiba puis Bayushi (même chez les jumeaux, y en a un qui sort avant l'autre...)
- Shinjo
- Fu Leng
- Hantei

d'ailleurs, l'auteur lui-même se plante dans son propre texte : il place Fu Leng en neuvième mais quand les gamins vont à la recherche de leur mère, il est cité comme étant le huitième... avant de redevenir le 9ème ensuite dans le texte

le reste de l'histoire est un mix de la genèse officielle, de Way of the Naga et d'impro plus ou moins sympa

plus aucune référence au fait que Onnotangu ait dévoré sa progéniture, d'ailleurs l'auteur lui donne le nom de Tsuki-Yomi, qui est si mes souvenirs sont exacts le nom traditionnel de la divinité de la lune japonaise

pas envie de le traduire en entier, désolé. Je trouve le texte trop peu respectueux du mythe rokugani officiel et les idées apportées ne sont pas toujours très heureuses

gomen nasai et ce genre de choses

[Ding On]

Dans le n° 2 de DXP, il y avait aussi un mythe originel de L5A, mais qui reprennait le mythe Izanagi Izanami...

[Okuma]

Le texte cité par Ding On n'est pas officiel, contredit la plupart de ce que nous savons et avais servi de base a la première version de ma génèse. Et je suis d'accord avec Penombre. Cette génèse va elle aussi a l'encontre de ce que l'on sait.

[axl_2baz]

Ken, je suis en cours, ca devrait me prendre un egrosse semaine si mon rythme de traduc ne diminue pas, et si mon rythme de travail n'augmente pas

[Kendashi]

Ken, je suis en cours, ca devrait me prendre un egrosse semaine si mon rythme de traduc ne diminue pas, et si mon rythme de travail n'augmente pas

Attention, théoriquement, Ryumi et toi allez faire le même boulot. Ce serait bien de vous concertez, non ?

[Bayushi Ryumi]

Oui, on va essayer de gérer cela.

Mais une traduction en une semaine me semble un délai court non ?

PM moi Axl_2baz qu'on coordonne les efforts.

[Bayushixav]

PM moi Axl_2baz qu'on coordonne les efforts.

Pas mal comme plan drague...
Si vous voulez un relecteur, je suis ok aussi.

Bayushi Kurumada